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Submitted: Mon, 13/06/2016 - 11:49

I recommend you to get rid of the Corsair CX PSU - http://www.overclock.net/t/1431436/why-you-should-not-buy-a-corsair-cx

XFX does Seasonic rebrands with extra warranty (5 years), I myself use a XFX TS 550W (which is enough for my i7 6700K which is at 4.2Ghz on all cores, 2TB HDD, 250GB SSD, 16GB RAM and an overclocked GTX 970 Gaming G1).

If you need a little bit more power to be on the safe side (1080 TDP is close to a 970) you could try getting a XFX TS 650W or a similar model. If Seasonic is cheaper, then by all means go with them, since XFX is only rebranding them (XFX was cheaper in my country plus more warranty).

Just please don't get the Corsair CX series!

With CPU coolers, it goes down to how much you want to spend. Hyper 212 Evo (the US version, the EU one sucks), Scythe Katana 4 are good budget candidates, but there's many more options

Edited by: deadsheep on Mon, 13/06/2016 - 11:53
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Submitted: Mon, 13/06/2016 - 23:36

Thanks all, it's been a big help! I've ended up going for a Seasonic PSU (thanks for the heads up deadsheep!), EVGA FTW GPU, 3 2tb HDDs and a 500gb Samsung EVO SSD.

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Trent, will you be over clocking any components?

Not immediately, but it is something I may look into in the future. First priority is to make sure it's stable and efficient before I look into overclocking and I'll need to do plenty of research to make sure I know what I'm doing with it.

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IIn terms of CPU cooling I experimented with some water cooling which you can see in the video below but ended up using the stock CPU cooler in the end because the set up was a bit of an experiment and logistically a bit of a nightmare. Even so the Intel stock cooler wasn't actually that bad. Temps don't really go above 50degC but I think that's largely due to decent case ventilation and the little extra fans and airflow measures promoted by the mobo. Under water I wasn't exceeding 35degC at 4.6Gig, was really nice and stable.

Yeah I probably won't ever go for water cooling, far too paranoid about buggering it up and soaking everything! The fan cooler I'm getting seems to be cool and quiet and the case apparently has good cooling, so I can't see myself needing to go for liquid cooling unless I go crazy with the OC.

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Power wise I use a superflower platinum 1kW PSU. Looks great and has quite a sexy little illuminated connection where each cable is connected and in use. Although I've found over time this is a slight annoyance as there is no option to switch it off and it'd screw up any case lighting you might have in mind, again if that's your inclination. Came with a shit load of cables, although annoyingly could've done with an additional combined 6+2 6+2 cable for GPU's as I've got 2 GPU's in SLI. Mind you, this will be less of an issue if you're using a 1080 which I think is a single 8pin power supply?

I think the EVGA FTW 1080 I'm getting uses 2 8-pins, rather than the single on the reference/founders boards. Looks don't really bother me for the PSU as the case I'm getting doesn't have a window.

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Casewise I went for a Thermaltake Urban S71 (full tower) which looks good and is great for tool-less drive installation etc. Loads of space for fans as well so case can be kept cool easily. The only criticism of Thermaltake is their UK customer support is non existent. Like literally no-one around. I reckon if you kicked up enough fuss on social media they'd probably come back to you but I couldn't be bothered with that approach (I damaged the front door of the case with my huge ape feet - and considered a replacement).

Thermaltakes do look swish and stylish, though the reason I went for the Fractal Design one was because it was nice and minimalistic design on the outside but plenty of features on the inside. The drive bays are configurable with a number of different options, there's room for quite a few extra fans (it comes with one in the front and one in the rear) and has SSD mounts on the read of the motherboard housing. I read some very good reviews of it after I had it in mind, so it seems like a great choice.

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That 1080 will mince anything though, nice choice. What resolution you looking at, or considering VR? Exciting spec there.

Yeah, it's an absolute beast from the initial benchmarks I've seen, seriously can't wait to get my hands on it. It'll be a major step up from the 780m in my current notebook, raw numbers put it at like 4x the power, talk about a generational leap :|

I'll be using my 1440p monitor for my main display with a 1080p as the secondary. I need to buy a third monitor to make up for the loss of the notebook screen, but that probably can wait.

I'm interested in VR but I won't be in a position to buy a headset for a while and hopefully they will be a bit more affordable by then too.

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Submitted: Tue, 14/06/2016 - 08:23

The fractal design define R5 was a close second to the S71, the fractal is slightly more minimalist but yeah, some of the Tt stuff is quite garish.

I think the superflower PSUs have some kind of joint venture thing going with OverclockersUK so as far as customer service goes they're pretty sharp at sorting it out if stuff goes wrong. Anyway the platinum has been very reliable.

Good luck with the build, maybe post some pics. I'd be interested to see. I'm so tempted to start a new build. Even considered selling my entire current rig to start a new one.

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Submitted: Tue, 14/06/2016 - 10:38

Will do! I'm quite excited about building it, makes me feel like a kid again haha. Probably won't be building it for a couple of weeks, given the GPU isn't available until the end of the month.

I'll hook up some benchmarks and compare them to my current PC, see just how much better it is! Any recommendations for good benchmark games?

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Submitted: Tue, 14/06/2016 - 11:12

I can only speak from experience at 4k Resolutions so wouldn't be comparable benchmarks really.

If I was running on a single card (mine being 980Ti's) the following definitely tax the GPU's.

GTA5
The Witcher 3
Fallout 4 (although mine is heavily modded)

Would be interesting to properly benchmark C:R as well, although perhaps maybe best to wait for Max Damage on PC. Would be cool to set up a benchmarking thread actually, I don't think I've seen one yet.

Incidentally, the following seem to be really well optimised, nice looking games on Nvidia cards, also scale nicely in SLI.

Dying Light
Dark Souls 3
Bioshock Infinite

Haven't played too many other recent triple A games to be fair.

Edited by: RiOrus on Tue, 14/06/2016 - 11:13
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Submitted: Tue, 14/06/2016 - 14:38

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GTA5
The Witcher 3
Fallout 4 (although mine is heavily modded)
Dying Light
Dark Souls 3

Heh, those are 5 games I don't have yet! I do have Bioshock Infinite so I'll use that, I'm also going to use Metro Last Light Redux, Hitman (2016), Alien: Isolation and Batman: Arkham Knight as I've heard they all have solid benchmark modes. Also the usual 3DMark and Unigine benchmarks, obviously.

It would definitely be great to benchmark C:R properly, but given how variable the game can be with it's workload, I'm not sure it would be possible to get comparable benchmark data out of it, the AI is far too random and peds don't spawn in the same spots every time, so it would probably need a custom level built for it (or at least an existing level customized) which specifically spawns peds in set places and locks the cars onto rails (e.g. custom accessory boxing them in which moves around the level, no checkpoints so AI doesn't try to drive), maybe some physics specific tests like dropping cars from set positions, stacks of boxes, etc. It would be awesome if Stainless could hook up a benchmarking mode in C:MD so we have something consistent to compare against, though that's probably asking too much.

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Submitted: Tue, 14/06/2016 - 15:15

" It would be awesome if Stainless could hook up a benchmarking mode in C:MD so we have something consistent to compare against, though that's probably asking too much."

Or a standalone tools, that will allow for people to see how the game could run in their rigs before buying the game ... but your are right that's probably asking too much ...

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Submitted: Thu, 14/07/2016 - 15:41

And it's built! I guess I should list out the final specs to start out:

Fractal Define R5 case
Seasonic M12 II Evo modular PSU
Intel Core i7 6700k
MSI GeForce GTX1080 Gaming X
Asus Z170 Pro Gaming Motherboard
32gb Corsair Vengeance LPX @2666mhz
Noctua NH-U12S Slim Cooler
500gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD
3x Toshiba 2tb HDD
Asus Blu-ray drive
TP-Link Wifi card
Samsung S27D850 1440p 27" monitor (as well as an old 30" 1440p Dell UltraSharp and an old 21" 1080p Philips monitor)

Such an unbelievably awesome machine, it's blown me away how much of an improvement over my old machine this is. Quiet as hell too, the multi-vent heat recovery system in our house is louder than this computer. Even running through the Fire Strike Extreme benchmark I had to actively listen for the computer to hear it, which I'm seriously impressed with given the power stuck inside this computer. Another thing I wasn't expecting was the case to be quite as big as it was. I knew it was an ATX but it honestly looked a bit smaller in the reviews I saw! Awesome case, though, really easy to put everything in and great

The build was really straight forward, baring a bit of fuss with having to move some bits around to make the best use of the cables and a moment of panic/idiocy where I thought the PSU only came with a single PCI-E power cable when I needed two for the graphics card... A few hours later, after I had packed everything up to take it home and figure out what to do there, I remembered that there was actually a second PCI-E power cable which I was a total idiot for misplacing. After finding it, and finding an extra SATA cable in one of my boxes, I finished the build at home on Tuesday and had a moment of panic/idiocy where the bloody thing wouldn't turn on... Then I remembered I had switched the PSU off before plugging it into the mains >_<

Anyway, with all the panic/idiocy out the way installing Windows and setting it up was also super quick and easy, barring my slow internet making updates really slow... Which led to more panic/idiocy when the bloody GPU drivers wouldn't install. It turned out the Windows 10 disc I installed from was an older version and the NVidia driver needed version 1511 installed. Took pretty much all day for Windows Update to finish grabbing and installing it ;_;

But, anyway, it's all finished and set up now, with mostly just my development software left to install. I've been doing some benchmarking today and really pleased with the results so far! All these are run at 1440p:

Unigine

3D Mark Fire Strike Extreme

Metro Last Light Redux
Max settings except SSAA (though SSAA still averages around a playable 50fps figure)

Batman Arkham Knight
Max settings, with Nvidia GameWorks features:

Max settings, without Nvidia GameWorks:

Hitman
DX12 mode, max settings. I did a run through of it set to 5K Dynamic Super Resolution and I was seriously impressed to see it stay above 30fps.

I gave Carmageddon: Reincarnation a go too, never went below 60fps and often stayed up around the 70 or 80 mark, even when I was recording on City B with everyone crashing and exploding on screen with loads of peds being annihilated by Electric Blue. Can't wait to try Max Damage on here when it's released! The most important benchmark, however, got a mind numbing 680fps and completed in 1.5 seconds, it's the first benchmark anyone should do on a computer since 1996: /timedemo demo1

Edit: Razpr requested a quake 3 benchmark:

I've got Doom coming down (got it free with the motherboard, but was a major faff to redeem the code, had to contact Asus to sort it out!) and I'll be downloading Witcher 3 and Bioshock Infinite after that. I'm planning on recording some footage and taking some screenshots so I'll post them as and when they happen.

Here's some build pics:

All the bits in a pile:

Opening the GPU:

Comparing today's top GPU to one of the top GPU's from 11 years ago which was in the last gaming computer I built:

Inside the finished build, gasp in awe at my messy cable work:

The rig on the desk ready to be tested:

A good view of my monitor set up as I'm loading Fire Strike:

Turning it on for the first time:

Edited by: Trent on Thu, 14/07/2016 - 17:31

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Submitted: Thu, 14/07/2016 - 18:52

WHY DOES MY COMPUTER SUCK
sweet pc trent

if cars aren't meant to crash why do they have air bags?

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Submitted: Sat, 16/07/2016 - 09:08

So you got your rig up :), Power house :P. Its clean, I haven't seen that type of cooler like you have for your cpu but it looks neet with all those little bolts :P.

I wonder do you get the Bios boot signal ? usually one beep when turning on pc ever ? < i heard nothing at all when you had that video interesting.

Remember to keep those fans clear of dust, Only side effect of having any in the case and outside of it.

Con grats for you dude, and i hope you start really killing those games now :P

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