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Xbox Live and Carmageddon: Max Damage for PC
#1 Submitted: Wed, 09/03/2016 - 11:19

According to latest news Xbox One will give a place to Windows 10. This means Windows 10 will be Xbox itself. Games released for Xbox will be released for Windows 10 too.

What is the future of Carmageddon: Max Damage? Will it be in Steam without Xbox Live or it will require Microsoft services as third-party DRM to play?

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Submitted: Wed, 09/03/2016 - 11:30

KaptainUfolog wrote:
According to latest news Xbox One will give a place to Windows 10. This means Windows 10 will be Xbox itself. Games released for Xbox will be released for Windows 10 too.

What is the future of Carmageddon: Max Damage? Will it be in Steam without Xbox Live or it will require Microsoft services as third-party DRM to play?

I have no idea what are you saying/asking

future of CMD? read on the other threats... it had been said several times...

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Submitted: Wed, 09/03/2016 - 21:57

Xbox One runs on a modiefied version of Windows10 and there is something like Universal Windows Platform (UWP) but this has nothing to with Carmageddon. UWP is more for apps but there are few UWP games yet, and I dont think UWP games will be ever released via Steam because MS has locked it down.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/tim-sweeney-is-missing-the-point-the-pc-platform-needs-fixing/
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/layout/design-and-ui-intro
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war

Your reasoning is wrong, not all XOne games will be released on W10. And even if they are they will not necessarily include Xbox Live. Only if they are released with uwp AND via the Windows Store.

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Submitted: Thu, 10/03/2016 - 18:57

Deamon wrote:
Xbox One runs on a modiefied version of Windows10 and there is something like Universal Windows Platform (UWP) but this has nothing to with Carmageddon. UWP is more for apps but there are few UWP games yet, and I dont think UWP games will be ever released via Steam because MS has locked it down.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/tim-sweeney-is-missing-the-point-the-pc-platform-needs-fixing/
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/layout/design-and-ui-intro
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war

Your reasoning is wrong, not all XOne games will be released on W10. And even if they are they will not necessarily include Xbox Live. Only if they are released with uwp AND via the Windows Store.

I fear Microsoft will demand a forced support of Xbox Live on PC for titles which will be published for Xbox. Something like "We are publishers and we demand to hardcode Xbox Live into your game for PC or we will not let you publish this game for Xbox because now Xbox is a PC itself.".

Microsoft is a monster which play dirty games with customers and industry. The latest example is Gears of War recently released on UWP. The game does not use DirectX 12 capabilities. DrectX12 in system requirements was included only for one aim: to promote Windows 10.

Edited by: KaptainUfolog on Thu, 10/03/2016 - 19:09
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Submitted: Fri, 11/03/2016 - 10:49

Why would MS do anything that retarded? Sure, they are making their first-party console games which they publish themselves support UWP so they can be released on the Windows Store, but those are games which MS own. They are not stupid enough to kill off their console business by forcing developers into using UWP. UWP is an option for developers, it will never be a requirement.

Even if MS do decide to be utterly stupid and instigate the requirement that any Xbox game needs to be released on the Windows Store with UWP so people who own the game on one platform can play it on the other, there will be nothing stopping the developers and publishers releasing the game on Steam or Origin or any of the other propitiatory or open platforms available to gamers. Just suggesting that they will stop developers releasing games on anything else is an utterly retarded notion fueled by ignorance and paranoia because the vast majority of console games will always be released on multiple platforms anyway. If they were going to be idiots and do something anti-competitive like that it would be stipulating that developers can't release the game on Sony or Nintendo's consoles, not restricting how developers can release a PC version.

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Submitted: Mon, 04/04/2016 - 00:48

Trent wrote:
Why would MS do anything that retarded? Sure, they are making their first-party console games which they publish themselves support UWP so they can be released on the Windows Store, but those are games which MS own. They are not stupid enough to kill off their console business by forcing developers into using UWP. UWP is an option for developers, it will never be a requirement.

Even if MS do decide to be utterly stupid and instigate the requirement that any Xbox game needs to be released on the Windows Store with UWP so people who own the game on one platform can play it on the other, there will be nothing stopping the developers and publishers releasing the game on Steam or Origin or any of the other propitiatory or open platforms available to gamers. Just suggesting that they will stop developers releasing games on anything else is an utterly retarded notion fueled by ignorance and paranoia because the vast majority of console games will always be released on multiple platforms anyway. If they were going to be idiots and do something anti-competitive like that it would be stipulating that developers can't release the game on Sony or Nintendo's consoles, not restricting how developers can release a PC version.

I think you underestimate Microsoft's powers to fuck themselves over mate.
They are pros at picking the absolute worst decisions, especially when they regard their public image.
Have you read this yet? It's rather old now.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war

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Submitted: Mon, 04/04/2016 - 15:19

Trent wrote:
Why would MS do anything that retarded? Sure, they are making their first-party console games which they publish themselves support UWP so they can be released on the Windows Store, but those are games which MS own. They are not stupid enough to kill off their console business by forcing developers into using UWP. UWP is an option for developers, it will never be a requirement.

Even if MS do decide to be utterly stupid and instigate the requirement that any Xbox game needs to be released on the Windows Store with UWP so people who own the game on one platform can play it on the other, there will be nothing stopping the developers and publishers releasing the game on Steam or Origin or any of the other propitiatory or open platforms available to gamers. Just suggesting that they will stop developers releasing games on anything else is an utterly retarded notion fueled by ignorance and paranoia because the vast majority of console games will always be released on multiple platforms anyway. If they were going to be idiots and do something anti-competitive like that it would be stipulating that developers can't release the game on Sony or Nintendo's consoles, not restricting how developers can release a PC version.

They want to lock down PC gaming to them selves by making a walled garden of sorts... even blocking moding and using a bruteforce DRM. They even said its for PC gamers own intrests but I say fuck them , they are starting to become a paraody of themselves at this point.
And its sad because they OWN PC gaming in a way and that should be a permit to print all the dosh they want... maybe they hate money? lol

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Submitted: Tue, 05/04/2016 - 09:24

MrDeviance wrote:
I think you underestimate Microsoft's powers to fuck themselves over mate.
They are pros at picking the absolute worst decisions, especially when they regard their public image.
Have you read this yet? It's rather old now.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war

You underestimate their competency and awareness of the situation. That article you linked to is nothing but a knee-jerk reactionary response to only having half the facts, all of which were misunderstood. I have a great deal of respect for Tim Sweeny but what he wrote there is so far off the mark it's hard to believe it came from him. Most of his concerns were addressed last week at Build, where they announced and demoed actual info about UWP games, such as showing off the Age Of Empires 2 as a UWP packaged game running on Steam and playing mods available on Steam Workshop, which pretty much knocks all the "monopolised closed garden without freedom" nonsense on it's head. There are no core windows features which are being locked out by not using the Windows Store, the only things which require that are services which are especially designed and created for the Windows Store, it's no different at all to having to release a game on Steam to use Steam's propitiatory services.

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They want to lock down PC gaming to them selves by making a walled garden of sorts... even blocking moding and using a bruteforce DRM. They even said its for PC gamers own intrests but I say fuck them , they are starting to become a paraody of themselves at this point.
And its sad because they OWN PC gaming in a way and that should be a permit to print all the dosh they want... maybe they hate money? lol

That is complete and utter nonsense. They never said anything of the sort, the only people saying MS want that are paranoid conspiracy theorists who have taken quotes out of context and twisted to fit their anti-MS agenda. No matter what such people think, MS these days are putting a lot of effort into open-source and cross-platform tools, development and systems. It's a company which open-sourced their .NET Framework aand just bought Xamarin for the sole purpose of full open-sourcing the Mono runtime across all platforms for all developers to be able to more easily make cross-platform software across windows, mac, android, linux, ios and almost anything else for free because Xamarin had been charging developers to use their mobile versions of Mono. They also announced the Bash shell will be integrated into Windows 10 and support running Linux/Ubuntu programs, giving power users and developers even more freedom. It makes so much sense to do things like that when their end goal is to lock everything down to their one single app store and stop anyone developing for anything else and remove all freedom from using Windows, right?

Seriously, paranoia like this has been going on for years and years and it never ends up being close to true. The same people spouting this bullshit are the same people who declared that MS were going to stop people using the Desktop in Windows 8 and only use the Metro start screen and App Store. They're the same people who declared MS would force everyone using Vista to only run software which uses draconian DRM. They're the same people who declared MS would only let you run software approved by them on XP. It's the exact same argument dressed up in different clothes, repeated for perpetuity and propagated by people ignorantly raging on the internet about how awful MS are and how they're going to cripple their software to stop people using their computers in some fiendish plot to drive away all their customers. Because the goal of big businesses is obviously to make sure no one wants to use their products.

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Submitted: Tue, 05/04/2016 - 10:19

...pls contunue =D